You're right. It is qwerty but the columnar is what I meant would be a big obstacle

Ortholinear is what you are referring to and it is absolutely worth it to learn. Staggered keyboards don’t make sense anymore - the originally reason keys were staggered was because the bars could not physically overlap - and it is far more natural to type only moving each finger along two axis

u mean horizontally staggered doesn't make sense?

ortholinear is the Planck EZ (https://blog.zsa.io/2307-goodbye-planck-ez/) for example.

this Glove80 is vertically staggered (or as they said in the review article: it has column stagger), NOT ortholinear.

With the UHK I am already having difficulty typing directly on my MacBook. With the ortholinear this might only make switching back and forth harder. But it is intriguing.

Or easier. I have switched to column stagger pretty quickly after going to ergo keyboards and I don't have trouble typing on my MacBook. I only dread it now :).